<div dir="ltr">> One thing that would worry me a bit about meson is the sheer number<br>> of dependencies involved.<div><br></div><div>I'm going to vote for "that freeBSD port is absolutely bonkers and probably deserves the behind-the-barn treatment", specially considering the debian dependency graph: <a href="https://ibb.co/YdXMHRZ">https://ibb.co/YdXMHRZ</a></div><div><br></div><div>I'm not fully against rolling out our own system, but for the love of all that is holy, let's not base it on Make.</div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>-- <br></div>Guillaume Quintard<br></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 7:48 AM Poul-Henning Kamp <<a href="mailto:phk@phk.freebsd.dk">phk@phk.freebsd.dk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">--------<br>
In message <CAJ6ZYQy_tL8C7yWsyuxk-=<a href="mailto:gjsFy3Zy_U-wcbeGD63HsVkZ%2B3Zw@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">gjsFy3Zy_U-wcbeGD63HsVkZ+3Zw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
, Guillaume Quintard writes:<br>
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>We have been ranting at autotools for years now, and it's been a couple of<br>
>years since we tried to get rid of them, so, let's try again, this time<br>
>with the "new" kid on the block: meson (<a href="https://mesonbuild.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mesonbuild.com/</a>)<br>
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I'm all for improving our build system, but it has to be an improvement.<br>
<br>
One thing that would worry me a bit about meson is the sheer number<br>
of dependencies involved.<br>
<br>
To build it from scratch seems to involve at total of 238 ports on FreeBSD<br>
(list below), including both python2, python3, tcl86, mecurial and as far<br>
as I can tell anything anybody ever spotted on github.<br>
<br>
Meson is probably not directly to blame for all 238 ports, but blame<br>
or not: They sit at the top of a very, *very* tall tower.<br>
<br>
Considering how seldom we do nontrivial changes to our build instructions,<br>
I would be far more tempted towards a python script which produces a bunch<br>
of powerful but tedious Makefiles with full dependency tracking.<br>
<br>
Poul-Henning<br>
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-- <br>
Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20<br>
phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956<br>
FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe <br>
Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.<br>
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